Packers are off this week, but this chat is on. Yeah, the interior of the line has been good, Jenkins already looks like a real player and good pick in R2, probably their best run blocker already. That was an upgrade. Turner has been good, a little up and down, every once in a while gets beaten badly in pass pro, but overall he's been good and from what I've heard LaFleur loves him in the locker room, a real pro. I don't know why Bakhtiari's play has slipped some. I'd argue he's still a very good player, but he has gotten beat more than in the past couple years, and those penalties are adding up. I don't know how to explain it. He's not on the injury report, so that shouldn't be the reason. Let's see how he finishes out the season.
Not sure, depends in part on injuries. I do wonder if he can help their run defense, he's a big, athletic guy, and Pettine sometimes uses a five-man front where one of the three down linemen is an OLB, usually it was Z Smith but two weeks ago Gary had a few snaps there, and I thought he looked pretty decent. He's a powerful guy with an explosive first couple steps, got some push on a play or two, and also was athletic enough to get to the ball when the run wasn't at him. He's listed at 277, which isn't big for an inside guy but is big enough if the guy is athletic (Aaron Donald is listed at 280). If the Packers don't think he can help them a lot there, then I'd guess the last six games will be like the previous several, where he plays about 20 snaps as a rotational OLB and rusher in the third-down dime (they use three OLBs and Kenny Clark on obvious passing third downs).
I think Biegel is on the Dolphins, if I remember correctly. The Cowboys signed Josh Jones to their practice squad in October. Spriggs is on the Packers' IR. As far as I know the other two aren't on teams. Thompson missed badly on some of those, no question. Perry wasn't that bad a pick, when he played he did OK but he was hurt too much. Spriggs hurt because Thompson traded two extra picks to move up to get him, so missing on that pick was like missing on three picks. Thompson did make a good pick with Kenny Clark, though, that's a good selection at the bottom of the first round.
He's often had a tendency to look for the play downfield over the shorter throw anyway, so I'm not sure about that. Not dismissing the possibility, but I'm not convinced that's an issue. You also have to look at who they've played. KC's defense was bad, Oakland's was not good either. Those are games they put up good numbers without Adams. The Chargers have an OK D, and Carolina has bad run D but very good pass rush, so those defenses might have been part of the reason the offense wasn't as good the last couple weeks.
I wonder about that. I'm guessing some of both factors. I don't doubt that individual scouts are better at some positions than others, and since Thompson ultimately was doing the selecting, that might reflect his areas of strength and weakness. It's clear now Thompson should have taken Watt over King, though King is a pretty decent player when healthy. In 2016, I wondered if he should have taken ILB Myles Jack instead of Kenny Clark. Jack has been a good player and signed a big contract extension, but it's pretty hard to argue with the Clark pick, defensive linemen are so important, and Clark is a very good player coming off a very good game against Carolina.
It is too early. Not that it will be definitive, but next year at this time we should have a lot better idea of what kind of player Gary is. I'm sure learning the stand-up OLB position has some challenges for Gary, but the Packers are fortunate he doesn't have to play a lot because of the Smiths, because if Gary had to play a lot the growing pains would be more obvious. They probably see this as ideal that he's playing maybe one-third or a little less of the defensive snaps each week. I've said this several times on these chats and still wonder if his best position is going to be as a linemen. He's big enough (277, and I'm assuming he could add a few pounds if needed) and explosive enough to hold up well in there Going into the draft there was a lot of question of where he was best suited. His best position might be as a 4-3 left end, but I still very much wonder if he'll end up playing as defensive linemen (five technique and inside rusher) before it's all said and done in GB.
Over-hyped is a hard one, I guess maybe I'd go Kenny Clark in this sense: he got off to a great start and I at least was thinking possible Pro Bowl for him. He's played good football and is one of their best guys on D but hasn't been the dominating guy I thought he might this season, though he did have a really good game against Carolina. So maybe him, though he's still a good player. You could maybe say Oren Burks, he tore his pec in camp and since coming back hasn't played well enough to win a significant role. I wouldn't include Savage or Amos. Savage was playing well before he got hurt. He missed only two games because the high ankle sprain, that's a short time for that injury, so I do wonder if he's playing at noticeably less than 100 percent. The bye should help him. I think Amos has been really solid at safety. He's not as good in that dime ILB/S role, but with Campbell finally activated and playing there maybe Amos can remain strictly at safety now. Under-hyped? Linsley is as good a pick as anyone. Just a really solid player.
Hard to argue with how they've done. Being a head coach entails so many things, but job No. 1 for him was to create an environment where Aaron Rodgers plays like an MVP candidate, and he's done that. I guess one thing I wasn't sure about was whether he'd have a feel/understanding about the big picture of the team's health. But he has. He kept training camp practices short and brisk, has had some walk-through Wednesday's when they've played Sunday night or Monday, and his team's health is remarkably good. Saw a tweet today where going by salary cap, they have the eighth-lowest amount of cap money on IR. They also had only one player on the 53 (Tonyan) miss last week because of injury. Combine those two and this is a really, really healthy team. Of course luck is a significant factor there too, but still, he seems to have a good understanding of how to improve the odds of guys being healthier.
Yeah, Jackson had a really strong training camp -- I remember Pro Football Focus put him on its all-preseason team. But he hasn't done much since. Had a lot of penalties as a rookie, missed the early portion of camp this year with the foot injury, and has become a forgotten man this year, not even active the last couple weeks. Pettine said part of is that he'd rather not move Jackson all around and that nickel corner is his best position, but T Williams is entrenched there. Still, they're always trying to get their best guys on the field, and with dime defenses (six DBs) there are ways to get him out there if he were playing well enough. Maybe his straight-line speed is an issue. I asked Pettine about Burks yesterday during assistant coaches media availability, he said Burks' injuries in camp were a big setback because they considered him kind of a developmental guy at ILB (Burks had been mostly a safety in college). He thought Burks' role would increase down the stretch here, but we'll see.
I don't know the answer to that, but like you I expected to see more of those plays where the offense breaks the huddle fast, runs up to the line and snaps the ball. I know the Rams do that every once in a while, or at least did last year (not sure about this season). I watched a decent amount of San Francisco on Monday night, I can't say I remember them doing that rush-to-the-line thing, though I wasn't looking for it, so I don't know if that's more a McVay thing or goes back to Kyle Shanahan. More directly to your point, sometimes the Packers' tempo has been fairly fast, other times not. I don't know if that's more because the play isn't getting in fast enough, or it's Rodgers wanting to survey the defense pre-snap. Changing the tempo occasionally does seem to be an effective tool.
Unlikely, I'd think. The voting is done right after the regular season ends, so winning the SB and having a strong postseason wouldn't help him. I mean, McCaffrey is getting MVP talk and he leads the league in rushing, so maybe Jones' name would get mentioned if he overtook him and kept putting up the TDs (and catching the ball), but I still doubt he'd actually win it unless the Packers win out and he goes crazy. It's a QB league, so QBs usually win. Still a lot of football to go, but right now you have to say Wilson and Jackson are the leading candidates. It will be hard for Jones to lead the league in rushing because I don't think he'll get enough touches. Because of his injury history I'd think the Packers will want to keep him around 20 touches a game tops, whereas Carolina looks like it's going to ride McCaffrey hard.
Something about that final play, I didn't notice it at the time but Bill Huber of SI.com wrote about today. The Packers weren't lined up right, and just before the snap Fackrell moved from one side of Kenny Clark to the other -- stepped in front of Clark to do -- and got there just as the ball was snapped. Basically, a couple of the coaches said they got a little lucky because the late movement probably confused Carolina's OL, and it allowed Fackrell to just shoot the gap and make the first hit. It also said Fackrell recognized something that told him run, and he called out run just before the snap, so credit him for studying/awareness. Yes Gary needs a lot of technique work, he's kind of a one-trick power player at this point. They work on those things every day but can really emphasize it in the offseason.
Yeah, I feel the same way about power rankings. They're mostly based on what happened most recently, so it's kind of nonsense, and they really don't matter because these things are decided in the playoffs. This looks like a pretty good team, from what I see their best since '14. The defense has its issues but is much better and more talented than in '16 when they lost to Atlanta in the NFC championship game. They run the ball better than they have for several years. So I'd say it's their best team since '14, when they blew the NFC championship game at Seattle in the last five minutes.
Interesting question. I'd say worse off at safety, but that doesn't account for the opportunity lost with money and picks spent to get Amos and Savage. Hyde looks like a pretty solid safety. Randall had a pretty good year last year but I'm not sure he's playing as well this season -- I've watches some snippets of Browns games and recall seeing him whiff on a couple tackles. He's a high-maintenance guy, too. Savage is the most talented of all four and looks to me like he has a bright future. Amos is as rock solid as they come, not a great player or great talent, but a very dependable player. So if you're just talking about safety, I'd say they're better off with the two guys they have. But if they'd had Hyde, they probably wouldn't have signed Amos, so they could have used that money at another position.
Now? Doesn't help that they don't really have a punt returner.
I would think if they had to go to New Orleans for a playoff game, that would be a really tough matchup, playing in that noise, trying to defend Kamara and Thomas on turf. Big swing the other way if New Orleans had to go to GB. I'd think they matchup OK against Seattle -- Packers' pass rush is pretty solid and they have been OLBs to keep their rush lanes against Wilson, and Seahawks' defense is OK but not great. Not sure about SF, the 49ers can really run it and will stick to the run, which is a weak area for the Packers. But the 49ers are weak at WR, and Garoppolo didn't look real good in Q4 and OT on Monday night. 49ers' DL is really good too. Home field would matter less if at all against the 49ers and Seahawks.
I don't see any difference, no.
I'll have to check on this to be sure, but I think Greene had surgery, and the timeline for that made him unlikely to be an IR-return guy this season.
Yeah, they do it a lot. You can tell if watch pre-snap, guys will start waving their arms around and moving from one spot to another after the offense lines up.
I wondered too, I thought it was questionable, but I couldn't tell if he moved his upper body far enough forward to break the plane of the neutral zone. I couldn't tell from the replay I saw.
Yes, definitely a mistake. They were down only 9-0 at half and even only 12-0 in Q3. That's nothing in the NFL, no reason to deviate from the game plan. I know they ran on the first play of the second half and lost three yards, put them behind the sticks, and they went three-and-out. LaFleur abandoned the run after that. I get that it didn't work that play but still not reason to abandon the run. Maybe throw on first down and run on second, for instance. Anyway, he admitted after the game and then during the week that he erred in getting away from the run.
As far as I know, no, hitting the pylon does not equal hitting the ground. Talked about the Smith penalty a couple questions earlier, I do think breaking the plane is offsides. I've seen it with guys lining up offsides, their hand isn't in the neutral zone but their helmet is, and they get flagged.
Important question. My first thought is, generally call plays where the ball comes out fast. The run game is important too, so if the game is close, stick with it.
I have to remember to ask LaFleur that. If I remember right, McCarthy didn't like to sneak because he didn't want his QB taking head shots while burrowing into the line. Not sure of LaFleur's thoughts there.
OK, this will have to be the last question, have a couple interviews to get to, but thanks to all for dropping by and sharing your questions, thoughts and opinions. Yes, the NFC North is far from won. I don't have to make a pick until the Friday before that game, and who knows what the circumstances will be? But if I had to pick now, I'd pick the Vikings. Dalvin Cook is outstanding, and I'm guessing the Vikings will keep feeding him rather than putting the game in Cousins hands, like they did in Week 2. It lines up to be a really big game, no question about that. The Vikings don't have a particularly tough remaining schedule either. Aside from the Packers, their toughest game is Seattle. They also face Denver, the other two NFC North teams, and the Chargers. The Vikings have a very good shot at winning the division. And with that, we'll put this bye-week chat in the books. Thanks all to taking the time to offer your questions and observations, always appreciated. Thanks also to our subscribers, who help pay for our thorough coverage of this team, it takes a lot resources to do what we do. And a reminder you can get the Packers News app for $4.99 a month, it's a great deal. We'll do it again next week before the Packers' big game at SF. Thanks again everyone and take care!