Generally speaking, yeah. I think most teams have enough needs where they can mesh the two up pretty well. I mean, if the best player available this year for the Packers at No. 30 were an outside rusher, I doubt I'd take him if I were Gutekunst unless he thought the guy was a future Hall of Famer. Same for safety. Considering they have the Smiths and Gary, and have so many acute needs, I'm sure they could find a prospect they'd rated comparably at a position of need.
I have to say, I'm in the camp for replacing him. Sounds like he's going to get a pretty good contract, well over $5M a year, and I wouldn't pay that if I'm the Packers. The FA market doesn't look very good but that can change when teams start cutting guys for cap purposes. I think they can find a stopgap veteran on the FA market for cheaper, plus use a high draft (first three rounds) at that position.
That's something I'm sure reporters will be asking LaFleur and Gutekunst about the next time they're available, which will be the scouting combine. It could be a possibility, though I just don't know what kind of in-line blocker he'd be, that would be different than blocking as receiver, going up against DEs and linebackers more. Not saying he wouldn't be good at it, I just don't know.
I don't know what Rodgers' response would be, though I have to think he wouldn't like it, he'd want them to use the pick on someone who can help them win now, not on the guy who's going to replace him. But Gutekunst has to do what's best for the franchise, and if there's a QB he really likes available in the first round or two, he should take him.
It all depends on who's available. Teams will be franchising some guys who for now are scheduled for free agency, plus some good players might get cut in the next couple weeks for cap purposes. So we'll have to see how the landscape looks as mid-March gets closer. But your take is pretty plausible. They might get the best bang for the buck at TE, but they also might be able to find a slot receiver. Definitely agree they can get an early-down, big-body DT in free agency, and if I'm them I'm signing a veteran ILB as a fallback, though drafting high at that position too.
I just don't see that with him, he's a 277-pound guy, he wouldn't be able to cover TEs and RBs in the middle of the field. Most ILBs in today's game are about 235 at the biggest, maybe 240 for the biggest of them. Gary is just too big for that job. I wonder more the other way, if he eventually could end up playing more as an inside rusher. But LaFleur and Gutekunst after the season said they like Gary as an OLB in their defense, with the ability to move inside on occasion like Z Smith.
I'd forgotten about that, thanks for the reminder. I mean, the move probably is sort of a last-ditch effort in his career, but it will be something to watch. He's a huge guy, 287 pounds, so you'd think he'd be really good at the physical parts of the job, blocking. I just looked at his bio in the press guide, he was an offensive lineman in high school, so he knows blocking fundamentals even if he hasn't used them in a while. But I have no clue what kind of receiving skills he has.
There's not a straight answer to that, unfortunately. The combine testing provides valuable information and also can deceive. I think it's good for raising red flags, like if a guy runs a really poor 40 relative to the position he plays, that can at least make scouts go back and look at the tape again to see if they missed something. There was that CB from Florida two years ago, his name escapes me, he ran a horrendous 40, dropped him to like the second or third round, and I think he's still been a disappointment, so that 40 probably was important. Then there was the running back Singletary from Florida Atlantic last year, he was an undersized guy who ran a terrible 40, and his short shuttle and three cones were awful also, but he was incredibly productive in college and had a solid rookie season as a third-round pick for Buffalo. The game tape without question is the most important tool for scouts. After that, I'm not sure how to rank them, it might depend on the scout you ask. My best guess, the combine and campus workouts are next, but that's because they include positional work next . If you want to separate those two things out, I'd guess probably the positional workout then the testing. But the background info (collateral contacts, as you say) are really important too. Then I'd guess the interview after that. But they all matter to some degree, if nothing else because doing poorly in any one of them is a red flag.
I can't remember if it was LaFleur or Gutekunst, but each had season-ending press conferences, and one of them said Gary won't need surgery this offseason. So I have to think it wasn't that much of a hindrance to Gary during the season.
Rightly or wrongly, I think the thing that got Polamalu into the Hall in his first year of eligibility is that along with the four first-team All-Pros he had a defensive player of the year award. That's a big deal. I'm sure it helped that he was an eye-catching player with that hair flying from out of his helmet, his whirling dervish playing style. But yeah, truth be told, I'm not sure he's any better a player than Butler. Polamalu was more of a box player and was very effective and physical and dynamic in there, no question. But Butler was a pretty good box player himself and much better in coverage than Polamualu. Butler also had more sacks (20.5 to 12). But it's not just voters who are susceptible to name recognition. One of the voters does a survey of coaches, scouts and HOF players after the 15 finalists are named, then shares his numbers with the other voters in the meeting. He talked to about 300 of them this year -- each picks five players from the 15 -- and if I remember right, Polamalu had the highest score this year.
It takes two to tango, so how much would those teams want? That's the issue. I mean, if you're Cleveland, why would you want Josh Jackson, if he can't get on the field in two seasons here? Not that your idea isn't worth exploring, but Howard's name came up as possibly being available before the trade deadline and nothing happened, so the Bucs must have wanted a lot for him. Maybe they'll take a little less this offseason, and he'd certainly be a guy worth looking into if you're the Packers. But what would you give up for him? Not a D1. Maybe a D2? Even that seems high for a guy with 34 catches last year and who is heading into his fourth season, which means you'd get him for only two years -- one year on his rookie contract and then have the ability to put the fifth-year option on him (he was a first-round pick) at a fairly steep price. He's talented, so maybe he'd be worth it. Like I said, both guys warrant looking into. But maybe a decent TE or two will be a cap casualty by another team, too.
There just isn't much clarity, in large part because everything is fluid and none of these moves happens in a vacuum. After the fact it looked pre-ordained they'd get the Smiths and Amos last year, but it wasn't. So if they'd missed out on one of the Smiths, for instance, then they'd have gone after somebody else, or maybe a couple other guys. So one move affects another. I'm sure they already have zeroed in on at least a couple guys in the draft they think they can get -- if you read any of those stories about Mahomes, the Chiefs were talking about drafting him during his final season in college (and it might have even before then). But a guy they might think for now they can get in the third round in the next month or two could move up to the second round, for instance. And what they do in free agency could affect the draft. So yes, we're all guessing, and we'll all continue to make educated guesses until they actually sign and draft guys. And then we'll guess whether these guys will help them, until we actually see it on the field next fall.
I'd say a sneaky need is RB. They really could use another back, somebody more dynamic with the ball in his hands than J Williams is, even though Williams is a solid football player. There's just such a stark difference when you see Jones run, and then when Williams replaces him. Running backs get injured so easily and frequently in this league, and the run game is such a big part of LaFleur's offense, and the Packers don't want to be in a position where there's just a big dropoff in their offense if Jones can't play for a game or several games, or worse. So I'd consider RB a sneaky need, but something they could try to fill in, say, the third through fifth rounds. Whether or not they re-sign Bulaga, tackle is a need. ILB of course. And in this league you can never have too many decent CBs, so that's always a need.
Possibly, that's something they have to work through in the next two months. It sounds like there are numerous good prospects, but some of those guys will bust, and you never know which of them the Packers will especially like. So they very well might be able to get a guy in R2 who ends up better than several of the first-rounders -- the 49ers' Samuel was a second-rounder, and he looks like a really good player to me. So yeah, you could be right. Or maybe they'll be in position to trade back a few spots and get an extra pick and still get a WR they really like in early R2. That's what they did with Jordy Nelson.
Sure seems like route running and adjustments at the line, etc. That was one of the great surprises of the season, the way his playing time diminished the second half of the year. I thought he might really take off, and instead he went the other way as the season went on. His career is on the line this year.
He could be an inexpensive stopgap slot guy but I'd be concerned about his health and effectiveness going forward. He played in 15 games last season and is a tough guy, but he's also small and has had an accumulation of lesser injuries over the years. He also turns 30 in August. It could catch up to him at any time, and being a smaller guy he needs to be a lot more explosive than the guys he's playing against. LaFleur doesn't have any connection to him, so it's not like he'd come back into the same offense in GB. So I'd bet against it though you never know. He did have a good chemistry with Rodgers when plays broke down, that's very true. The off-schedule stuff isn't as big a part of LaFleur's offense as it was under McCarthy, so that might not be as attractive to LaFleur.
I think they like Turner overall. He was definitely their weakest pass blocker but they like him as a fit for the zone run scheme, and I know LaFleur really likes what he brings to the locker room, a veteran professional approach, smart, easy to get along with. So no, I don't see them cutting him, though you never know for sure what they're thinking. They do have Lucas Patrick and even Taylor under contract.
Yes, it's been quiet. Teams are just now starting to part with guys -- I think it was last week that Carolina cut Olsen. So the dominoes are starting to fall. I have to think the Packers will cut Graham soon, could be any day now, though there's no practical reason to rush (last year they didn't cut Nick Perry until early March). If they re-sign Bulaga, I'm thinking that more likely than not would happen in early March, shortly before the start of free agency. That's when those re-sign deals usually happen. I still think Lane Taylor probably will be cut too, but you never know. If they don't re-sign Bulaga, maybe they'd move Turner or Jenkins to RT, and then want Taylor at guard. I doubt that's the way it will go -- they could just as easily go with Lucas Patrick at guard, and they very well might not want to move either of their starting guards in the first place. If I had to bet, I'd bet on Taylor getting cut, but we'll see on that one.
They ran their share of outside zone, especially as the season went on. The inside zone stuff peaked at Dallas, so maybe that was in part a game match-up thing. Also, it seems like Jones is a really good inside zone runner, he has great vision and cuts back on a dime. But I still have to think the outside zone will be the foundation of the system. I've also found that it's sometimes hard to tell the difference between inside zone and outside zone. Stretch plays are really obvious outside runs, but there are outside zone runs that are hardly distinguishable from inside zones. It is something to keep an eye on this offseason, you never know how LaFleur might tweak things to his personnel. But the outside zone is such an important part of the scheme, I'm not sure how far away from it he can go.
This is just a guess as someone observing closely from the outside, but if LaFleur had someone from his past he really liked and thought he could get as DC, I'm guessing he'd have done it. But short of that he probably didn't want to start over on defense, and I have to think he and Pettine talked extensively about putting more emphasis on run defense, because that NFC championship game was an unmitigated disaster. I have to think Pettine addressed that to LaFleur's satisfaction in their exit interview.
I don't remember ever thinking Jones was a bust, but Adams was looking like he might be in his second season. However, he also had an ankle injury that turned out to be a significant issue that season. Your point is well taken, Valdes-Scantling just finished his second year and will get another offseason to make a nice jump. He too had an ankle injury in the middle of the season, so maybe it bothered him more than he let on. But Adams' playing time didn't plummet like Valdes-Scantling's, and there were plenty of WR snaps up for grabs. We'll see. Valdes-Scantling has great size and can run, that's for sure.
OK, this will have to be the last question, other duties call but thanks to all for dropping by. Bulaga is such a tough, gray-area call, and your pointing out the Clifton parallel is worth thinking about. Bulaga is a good player, and good tackles are hard to find. The only problem with your scenario is, I'm not sure a one-year deal (or a longer deal that really is a one-year deal) would get it done. There might be another team willing to pay Clifton in that range for a couple seasons, with a nice guarantee. He wouldn't be able to pass that up. And that's where the risk starts going up, if he's fully guaranteed $12 million, something like that. This is a really tough call. I'd probably err on the side of caution if I'm the Packers, but going back to last offseason, everything pointed to this year being their year to push for a title. So that would argue to keep Bulaga. I'm really curious to see what Gutekunst and Bulaga do. And with that, we'll call it another chat. Thanks again to all for coming by. Lots of questions even in this somewhat dead period in the NFL. Things will pick up soon, the combine is in a couple weeks, and free agency starts not long after that. An extra thanks also to our subscribers, it takes a lot of resources to cover the team as thoroughly as we do, and you make that possible. As a reminder, if you don't have a subscription you can get the PackerNews app -- if I understand it correctly, you can get the first month free, then it's only $4.99 a month after that for all our Packers news and opinion. That really is a great deal. Thanks again to all, and until next week, take care!