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OK, let's jump right in. Sherman had a torn Achilles last season, that's a bad injury, worse than an ACL from what I can tell. Then he had some kind of surgery recently on his other Achilles. He turns 30 in a couple weeks. That's a tough sell. You can't rule out anything, and if he can be had on the cheap he could be worth a look-see. But I'm not sure when he's going to be ready to do football stuff. He ruptured his Achilles on Nov. 9, that's only four months ago. I'd think he has a ways to go before he can practice.
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Hi Pete, what's the latest word on Jordy, Cobb and Matthews regarding a contract adjustment and shouldn't that have happened by now so the Pack knows how much Free agent money they have ? Also my picks for 1 & 2 of Draft are 1. Davenport 2. Charc WR LSU and sign a Corner in FA. What say you?
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Haven't heard anything on any of them. I thought they would have done something by now too, but then again, they don't have to do anything yet. Maybe they're waiting until they actually need the money before approaching anyone about an extension/pay cut. They surely have a lot of different scenarios worked out, so they're just waiting until they have to make a move to do it. There's also a week until free agency starts.
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With Morgan Burnett most likely leaving (wouldn't you say?), does it seem likely that the Packers might make a movie for Eric Reid or try and jump up a few spots for the chance to draft Derwin James? Also, any Mo Wilkerson news? I assume this chat is flooded with Mo questions. :-)
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Yeah, the more you look at it, the more it seems likely Burnett will leave. I'm not sure what kind of contract Reid is in line for. They have Clinton-Dix, Josh Jones and Brice at safety. As for trading up, I did some research on that this week, a fourth-rounder probably moves them from 14 to 12 (maybe 11?), a third-rounder probably gets them in the top 10. So if James is going to go in the top 10, would you give up a third-rounder to move up to get him? That's a lot. A fourth, maybe, especially since they have two of them. But they'd have to be convinced he can play that nickel spot and be a difference maker there.
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Really no idea. I haven't done a lot of draft research, but it sounds like at least for now there's not much chance of Ward being there. I can't say I've seen or heard anything about Landry going in the top half of the first round, but you never know on these things. But no, we've got no history on Gutekunst, and even if we did, you never know who a GM is going to like a lot in any given year.
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Pete, Everyone is voicing an opinion on the Wilkerson visit and whether or not to sign him. Most realize that cap space is an issue along with his injuries and recent production. My question is this: If the Packers extend Nelson, Cobb and Matthews and give them signing bonuses, is the bonus amortized over the extension years or total length of the contract?
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It's over the length of the contract, but all three guys you mentioned are in the last year of their deals. The reason for extending any of them would be to lower their pay and cap number this year. The player gets guaranteed money, but that money is spread over two or three caps with an extension, so it creates some extra cap room this year. Along with the guaranteed money, the Packers also could lower the guy's base salary so that the bonus and salary this year are lower than his salary was going to be. For instance, Nelson is scheduled to make $10.25 million salary and roster/workout bonuses this year. They could give him a $5 million bonus and a $2 million salary, so he'd make $7 million this year, plus maybe incentives. If they added a year to his contract, then only $2.5 million of the bonus would count on this year's cap, so his cap number would be $4.5 million.
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I'm skeptical about big difference maker. He's lost a lot of speed. But he does have a great chemistry with Rodgers, off the charts really. That could be really valuable, for instance, in the red zone. But I wouldn't say he'd be a big difference maker, a guy teams have to double or anything like that. Might be able to put up his share of red-zone TDs and convert third downs, though, and there's plenty of value in that.
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Don't you think they have already talked with Jordy and/or Cobb about taking a pay cut? How else do you think they will be able to offer free agents competitive contract's without know where money is coming from? Or is it they are ready to cut one of them if they refuse paycut?
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They almost surely have several different structures in mind for Rodgers' contract, depending on how much money they need on this year's cap. They can structure it so they pick up $8 million, $9 million in cap room if they want, or they can structure it so it's basically break even. So they have flexibility there. I'd think they'll have to structure it to pick up some cap room this year, though, they just don't have a lot to work with if they're going to sign a cornerback who can start in the nickel and a starting tight end and possible stopgap starters at guard and maybe tackle.
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Hi Pete,,, with all the areas that need real improvement and limited CAP room,, looks to me like the 12 draft picks are a large part of GB's capital to find 3-4 young impact players that can't be found in FA. GB has #14 and #46,, one or two more would be a major accomplishment.
That's another way of saying is it possible to bundle picks together to move up some?
For instance, a 3rd and 4th for a top half 2nd round trade or even add 5th or 6th pick to the bundle? We saw 3 draftees cut last year and with 12 this year,, some will probably be cut again.
I realize that's expensive, but seems good use of capital to find 3-4 impact players in top 50. -
I'm guessing -- just a guess -- Gutekunst will do some maneuvering. He talked at the combine about value areas in the draft, so if he thinks the back of the second round is one of those, maybe he'd do something like trade a D3 and D4 to get a second second-round pick.
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Hi Pete. Seems to me like this years free agency is pretty mediocre up at the top. Throw in teams with money to spend and there r some disastrous contracts to be signed (Cousins upcoming contract for example). What is your sense of the quality of that second and third wave of free agents that will sign? As exciting as those stud free agents might be, there r so many holes on this team that I think the focus needs to be acquiring talent on smart contracts.
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Everyone thinks were going to be aggressive in free agency, which is fine. What I think the fans are missing is that they don't realize trying to get a free agent to sign in Green Bay is easier said than done. These young guys want warm weather and night life. Even Charles Woodson admitted that when he was a free agent he was trying to sign in Tampa Bay or Jacksonville and did not want to come up to Green Bay. Do you agree that trying to lure a top free agent to Green Bay is more difficult than pretty much any other market?
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Not sure I buy that. I don't mean to minimize your point, the things you mention I'm sure matter to some guys. How many people actually prefer living in a colder climate? But the biggest recruiting tools in the NFL are money, the quarterback and facilities. The Packers have all three of those. So this is still an attractive place for players even if it's social life and climate can be liabilities.
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That's a tough one. He's scheduled to make $6.76M in salary and bonuses this year. There's a pretty decent chance he'll start the season on PUP -- not a sure thing, but a real possibility -- which means he'd miss half the season. He's had a couple serious injuries the last few years, so he has a lot of miles on him. That's working against him. But they don't have anyone ready-made to replace him. A lot probably depends on what they do at RT in free agency and the draft. He does give them insurance if Murphy or Spriggs or whoever doesn't pan out as a starter. But if they badly need cap room to sign someone, he'd be one of a couple places where they could pick up a lot of cap space. I really don't have a strong sense of which way that's likely to go. Depends who's on the roster two months from now.
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It doesn't appear that we have a ton of cap space to make signings. IMO we need help at CB (preferably veteran), te (preferably veteran), cb and wr - not necessarily in that order. If we are to sign Wilkerson who are some CB's and TEs to keep our eye on that you could see GB interested in? I know Sherman is out there and Jimmy Graham but we can't afford all them.
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I talked with one scout from the NFC West a couple weeks ago and he still likes Graham. Then last week I talked with another from that division, and he likes the Seattle's backup, Luke Wilson just as much, and Wilson is a free agent and will cost half as much as Graham. (Graham doesn't block at all, and the scout thinks he takes snaps off; Wilson isn't great blocker but at least tries, and he runs well). Everybody is talking about that backup TE from Philly, Trey Burton, as a sleeper free agent, but I'm wondering if Wilson wouldn't be a good choice.
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I think they have to sign a starting tight end in free agency, seems like a must to me. Same for CB -- with a starter defined as one of the three CBs who play in the nickel. Edge rusher is probably going to have to be the draft, though you never know who might pop up in a trade, seems like teams are becoming more willing to do trades now than a couple years ago. That said, they need to draft at CB and TE regardless.
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They can create room in a lot of ways. As mentioned earlier, they can structure Rodgers' contract to pick up cap room, maybe $8M or $9M if need be. They can pick up cap room with contract extensions/pay cuts or waiving from among Nelson, Cobb, Matthews and Bulaga. If they really want to, they can go to someone like Bakhtiari and convert some of his '18 pay into a signing bonus to create room, though I'm sure they want to avoid that if possible.
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They can create room in a lot of ways. As mentioned earlier, they can structure Rodgers' contract to pick up cap room, maybe $8M or $9M if need be. They can pick up cap room with contract extensions/pay cuts or waiving from among Nelson, Cobb, Matthews and Bulaga. If they really want to, they can go to someone like Bakhtiari and convert some of his '18 pay into a signing bonus to create room, though I'm sure they want to avoid that if possible.
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Sorry, ScribbleLive is locking up and posting things multiple times. I'd say it would be Allison and maybe Clark as the next guys up. Maybe Davis, but he could hardly get on the field last year so not sure that's going to change. I also wonder if they'd at least try to sign a free agent if they cut either Nelson or Cobb. But they'd have to be thinking that Allison and maybe Clark could replace whoever was cut.
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