Packers chat with Pete Dougherty
Dec. 15 transcript
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Pete,
I noticed that on the play that Montgomery stayed on the sideline after getting hurt that the Packers only had 10 men on the field with the offense. They tried to draw the defense offsides and allowed the clock to tick down to the 2 minute mark. Did they know they only had ten men on the field? -
Hi everybody, here we go on this horribly cold day in GB. I thought I saw that too, didn't ask anybody about it after the game and didn't look at closely when I re-watched the game, so I don't know if they knew. I guess it didn't matter because they weren't trying to run a play, I'm assuming if they'd tried to run the play, that at minimum Rodgers would have noticed.
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Not a lot of insight, practices are mostly closed during the season -- they're open for individual drills so reporters can take attendance, but that's about it. The little bit I've heard is that he looks pretty decent in practice. I can't say for sure whether it's more practice performance or the fumbled punt that have Allison playing ahead of Davis, though my guess is it's more the latter.
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Ryan's back, he just didn't play much last week because of the game plan with Burnett at ILB to help cover Graham with a six-DB lineup to deal with the other receivers too, and Thomas played the other ILB to spy Wilson a lot. I'd think Ryan will play a lot more this week because of Howard, looks like he's a pretty good back. Martinez was a limited participant in practice yesterday, but that could mean he only did a little or he did a fair amount. So hard to tell as of right now whether he'll be available. If he's cleared I'd think he'll play some too.
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As suggested in the last answer, I'd think we'll see much more of a run-oriented defensive game plan and personnel this week, especially with the brutal cold that's in the forecast for Sunday. Be a tough day to throw for 300 -- not that it couldn't happen, but it will be tough, especially for a No. 3 QB as you suggest.
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Yeah, agreed, if there's a really talented tight end available, that's not that much different than taking a WR. They also need a CB and OLB (IMHO) so I could see any of those positions in the first round. Maybe even RB too, though it sounds like this draft is deep at RB, so maybe they'll think they can get a good prospect later. And yeah, Davis looks interesting. I thought he'd play more and more after his good game at Atlanta, but it hasn't happened. The fumbled punt seems to have landed him on the bench. You never know when that will end. I remember Edgar Bennett, I think it was in '93, fumbled and then Holmgren didn't play him for several games.
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Hi Pete,
When Ted T. let Casey Hayward go I was kind of surprised - granted he did not know that Sam Shields would be shelved for the year. Can you think of anyone else that Ted decided not to re-sign that has gone on to have the type of year (or career) that Casey is having? and where the person that was let go would have really helped the following year? -
No one's coming to mind though if anybody out there thinks of one let me know. Hayward is having an excellent season, hats off to him. But I'm with Bob McGinn on this one, I think Thompson did what he had to do. He had Shields as his No. 1, and Randall and Rollins (first and second round picks) coming into their second season, they had to get those guys on the field. You can't pay everybody, so you have to let some guys walk even if you like them. I'd have let Hayward leave too. He's played great, good for him, but that's the way it goes. I'm trying to buy some time here to think of someone else this has happened with. I think you could say that about Bryce Paup, I think he had a couple really good years after he left. Craig Hentrich had a great career at Tennessee. Maybe Mike Wahle, I think he was pretty good in Carolina after he left. Let me know if anyone thinks of other examples.
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Hi Pete, this little 3 game winning streak is nice, but in reality TT is still responsible for poor roster management (poor LB and TE depth and very poor backup CBs that were torched). Regardless of how the season ends I would argue that TT is no longer a fit for the current NFL environment and needs to go before AR suffers the fate of only one Super Bowl win like Favre. Agree or disagree?
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I'm still thinking about your main question and want to see the season plays out, it's definitely a subject that worthy of consideration. But I'd disagree with a couple of your criticisms. I"d say that the LB thing has worked out fine, though it took until late in the season for them to find out that Burnett can play an important role as part of the ILB rotation. Also disagree on the CBs. How many teams in this league could lose their top three corners and not suffer greatly? I'd guess none. That said, there are some limitations with Thompson's approach, which is the most draft-oriented in the league, and the Packers need to do some self-examination there.
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Hey Pete, After doing a little digging, I was very surprised to find that the Seahawks are one of the least fined teams in the NFL. When are the fines announced for the week? I'll be very disappointed if at least four different players on their defense aren't fined for cheap shots on Sunday.
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Fines usually get reported publicly on Thursday and Friday, so we might find out today. Seattle did take a couple egregious shots in that game. Lane on Cobb on the kneeldown, and Sherman on Adams downfield -- Sherman later claimed Rodgers left the pocket, but as our Aaron Nagler showed on Vine, Rodgers was very much in the pocket on that play. Oh, and the shot that Avril took at Lang's "midsection," though I don't know if there will be any videotape to prove that one.
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Lions have played great, come through in the clutch time and again. They have two really tough games, though, at the Giants and at Dallas. The best I can say is, we'll see. Trying to forecast the outcomes of these games, it's just impossible. You just don't know what's going to happen. I'd think the odds would say the Lions will lose one of those games, but that doesn't mean they will.
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Can you please justify to me why TT traded up to select Hundley when Jesse James was available? It seems to me that TE and ILB (a distant second) are two positions he value the least. Was it worth it to jettison a serviceable backup in Tolzien for a possible trade investment than to upgrade TE stable of Rodgers, Quarless, Perillo, and Backman? -
Interesting question. I made that objection when they made the move at the time. It had nothing to do with Hundley, but I thought it was a mistake to trade up and spend in effect two picks on a backup QB with all their other needs. It wasn't that they took a QB at No. 5, but that they had to spend an extra pick to do it. You never know who might end up getting with that pick. So I'm with you on this. But I have to point out, there's a Hall of Fame GM who I think would differ with us, which gives me pause. If you saw the MMQB coverage of the Packers last week, there was a story on Ron Wolf, and Reggie McKenzie talked about why he traded up to draft Connor Cook even though he had Carr and a No. 2 QB he liked. Wolf's philosophy was to take a QB almost every year, that you have to have a QB to function in this league, and even if you end up not needing the guy, if he shows promise you can get a good return on the trade market. So there's that. I'd still be hesitant to do what Thompson did with Hundley (and Rodgers only at age 31 when he did it), but I have to admit that Wolf's thinking on this matter has me questioning myself.
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Pete - I think that part of Packers' recent success might be attributable to playing on a "slow track" for a couple reasons. A) we don't have much speed in the back end. B) allows us to get bigger bodies on the field to stop the run...Do you see defense's success carrying over in a warmer environment like, say, Dallas?
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Good question, not sure, though Dallas probably would thrive playing at Lambeau in the cold because of Elliott's and Prescott's running. Getting back Rollins and Randall, and having them getting back into playing shape the last week or two, helps the Packers' defense regardless of surface.
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A couple weeks back, one of your colleagues - I think it may have been Mr. McGinn, but I'm not positive - expressed the theory that the Packers could hand the GM reins to Elliot Wolf, and keep Ted Thompson around for the rest of his contract as an advisor. The idea intrigues me. For one thing, execs who have come up through the Thompson tree tend to be a little more aggressive than Ted, leading to significant success. Secondly, Elliot would have direct access to the two of the most successful GMs in Packer history as he settles into the role. So - Do you think there could be any actual truth to this theory, or is it a green-and-gold unicorn? Would Thompson's pride even allow him to step back like that?
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Tom Silverstein wrote that story. It is an intriguing idea, something Mark Murphy has to think hard about if he's convinced Eliot Wolf is his guy to replace Thompson. Because the could lose him in the next year or two otherwise. I don't know Murphy's thinking on this matter, and probably few people do. I don't know if Thompson would do that voluntarily. If he feels good and is enjoying the job, I would think he'd want to keep going. But he plays things close to the vest, so who knows what he's thinking?
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Could be either of those two. I personally wouldn't rule out OLB either, if there's an outside rusher they really like I don't know how they could pass that up, those guys win games. I'd think WR still is in the running too. Even though the offense has been better of late, they could use someone who's more dynamic than what they have. If it were equally rated players available at all those positions, I'm not sure what they'd do. Probably CB but that's just a guess.
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Nothing official and nothing reported. I'd think there's very little chance he's coming back, though. He's had four concussions in the NFL and had one in college as well. The fourth one sidelined him a month. This one came on basically a normal tackle and it's sidelined him for the season. Those are signs that this is a severe issue. He's also back in Florida, not up here, which as far as I know is uncommon. I know if I were him I'd walk away from the game, the risks are just too great. I'd also think the Packers will move on even if he wanted to play. The risk is great to him, and they'd have to worry on a more practical level that chances are high he'd sustain another one and be done, and they'd be left short-handed at cornerback. So I have to think they'll thank him and move on.
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