Packers chat with Pete Dougherty

Packers chat with Pete Dougherty

Thursday, May 3 transcript

    thanks for taking my question. Cliff Christl used to bark at people who questioned draft day decisions; he felt that compared to the scouts and GM's we were completely ignorant. Having said that, it seems that there were several edge rusher candidates who could have been had for a 6th or 7th round pick ( Duke Eliofor from Wake Forest, Hercules Ma'aatafa, Jeff Holland from Auburn , or substitute whatever name you prefer) Given all the predraft emphasis on passrushers, why did GB pass on all these guys?
    OK, let's dig in. Cliff is right, teams are working with so much more information than we have. Doesn't mean they're always right -- they're often wrong, in fact -- but we just don't have the resources to know as much as they do. Now, there still are things you can question, but no one knows how these players are going to turn out, including the teams that take them. The Packers had their reasons for taking people other than the rushers you mention, but I don't know what they were. They obviously wanted to draft a long-snapper. I never would, but they put a priority on it. hey put a priority on receiver on the last day, and I can see why, that was becoming a position of weakness. Maybe they had concerns about or issues with the guys you mention that weren't known publicly. Maybe they didn't think edge rusher was the great need some of us think it was and is. Like you I'm surprised they didn't find a way to maneuver around and use a higher pick at outside rusher.
    Pete it's been reported that the Packers were interested in moving up on Thursday for a 'handful of players' that Gute thought might be worth the price. I suspect they had conversations about picks 4-12 and ultimately it wasn't worth the cost. It appears James, Edmunds and Davenport weren't in that handful. I don't think Gute will ever reveal those players, so who do you think they were?
    My best guess is the players were Chubb and Ward.
    Hi Pete,

    I don't quite understand the hubbub over drafting a punter and a long snapper. The success rate of these lower round picks is so small, why not grab the best punter and LS in the draft (in their opinion) and see value out of them every Sunday rather than grab a guy who will stuffed on the bench/practice squad, or get cut? People are acting like we're passing up starting edge rushers in the fifth round to get these guys.
    I tend to agree. I can see drafting kickers, they put points on the board. But I'm lukewarm at most on drafting punters and don't think I'd ever draft a long-snapper unless he ran like a 4.6, which if he did he probably wouldn't be a long-snapper in college. The one thing I'll say on this is, Gutekunst used the word "rare" to describe Scott. That's a pretty strong word in scouting lingo. If they really think he's a rare talent, than I can see an argument for drafting him. But I tend to agree that it seems like you can find punters without spending draft picks. I though Vogel showed some promise last year, seemed like a decent punter to me.
    What are your thoughts on the lack of a bonafide pass rusher from the draft?
    If you mean that the Packers didn't use a fairly high pick on one, like I said earlier I'm surprised they didn't find a way to maneuver around and get a rusher they liked. Gutekunst said it wasn't a good draft for edge rushers, so that surely was a factor. They must think Pettine can make a difference, and maybe either Biegel or Gilbert will help, and I guess they're counting on Matthews and Perry to stay healthy, which is pretty risky. You can't rule out that they'll make a trade for one before the start of the season, though odds are against it.
    Hi Pete, so obviously the Packers have depth and quality issues at OLB. It seems like an off-year for that position in the draft, although they did have some opportunities to pick up some guys and chose not to do so until the 7th round. My question is this: although knowing that primary pass rush pressure comes from the edges, aren't we still using the Capers defensive model as the example that we are following? Capers' defenses are well-documented for employing edge rushers in the 3-4 for their primary source of pressure (his Steeler defenses, as well as his Panther defenses when he was the HC support this as well as his time with the Packers). But do we know that Pettine will be looking to generate pass rush the same way? We probably won't even know what defensive philosophies he will employ until the games start for real, since preseason games are usually very vanilla. And I get that Matthews in aging and oft-injured, and Perry is oft-injured and oft-injured again, and depth is a huge question mark. But maybe, for Pettine, the position doesn't carry as much importance as it might have with Capers? Thanks, and sorry for the run-on question.
    If you look around the league, the teams with good pass rushers have good edge rushers, so I think that's a universal thing. Now, Pettine might have a lot of corner and safety blitzes, and try to get his inside linebackers involved in the rush more than some coordinators. But edge rushers still are really important. When Pettine was in Buffalo, Mario Williams and Jerry Hughes had big seasons as outside rushers if I remember right.
    Hi Pete,
    Which players (if any) from the previous two drafts are most likely to step up and be a "difference maker" in the 2018 season? Would you agree that it is unlikely that any of the current draftees will be game-changers in their first pro season?
    Yes it's unlikely any of the rookies will be game changers, though you can't rule out, and they can improve the defense some without being game changers. Kenny Clark could make the jump from good player to game changer. Kevin King is a candidate, and Josh Jones might be one too.
    Pete, enjoyed your article on the WR. Allison and Davis seem like possibilities to start but neither has shown enough to indicate that they can be difference makers. Clark and the 3 rookies look like great prospects and hopefully there are 2 high end future starters in that group. In truth I can't remember when the Packers had a rookie start or make a significant impact in their first year. They've had some great WR in the last 20 years but how many have made a difference in their first year? With the injury history of Adams and Cobb they need some of the young guys to step up in a big way, or?
    Greg Jennings was a good player as a rookie, that's the last Packers receiver I remember to play well his first year. He was really smart and instinctive and all that, had a lot going for him. He was the rare guy who learned all the positions as a rookie. So chances are the guys the Packers drafted will be developmental and take a couple years to really contribute, though you never know. That's why Allison and Clark probably will be Nos. 3 and 4, though Clark has to make a big jump from last year. He could do it because he was really raw after switching from basketball to football in college, and playing at Marshall only two years (one as a redshirt). Can't rule out Davis to make the top four because he's already been here a couple years and knows the offense, but he'll have to make a big jump too. His roster spot definitely is in jeopardy.
    Do you see the Packers signing a veteran tight end, offensive lineman or outside linebacker to bolster the areas that the draft didn't fill?
    I could see them signing a veteran at any of those positions, especially O-line and tight end. Not much of a pool of players to pick from, but it's a possibility. Or maybe someone at those positions gets cut in the next week and the Packers pick them up. Or maybe they'll wait until final cuts and add someone at one or more of those spots, depending on what they think the roster looks like at the end of camp.
    Given how many wide receivers were drafted, which two current receivers are on the shakiest ground - Davis, Allison, Clark or Yancey?
    I'd guess Davis and Yancey are on the shakiest ground. Clark played well enough to get promoted to the 53 late in the season, though he showed in his 75 snaps he's pretty raw. Still, that had to have helped him, and if he works hard in the offseason he could improve a lot. Davis has abilities as a returner, so that could help him. The one thing the rookies and Clark are going to have to show is a willingness and effectiveness to play special teams. If you're the No. 4 or 5 receiver on game day, you have to be able to play special teams.
    Do you think the Packers will address (in part) their lack of WR depth by playing Ty Montgomery in more of a pass catching role? It would seem to make sense to get him on the field for his playmaking, but with our rookie running backs producing last year, that position is a little crowded.
    McCarthy has said this offseason that Montgomery is a running back. Now, the reason to use him there is that he can split out and be a receiver, and defenses don't know where he's going to line up, so they have to make some tough personnel decisions when he comes into the game. So I'd assume he'll get a lot of action in the passing game when he plays. But McCarthy said he's a running back, which would suggest he's not going to play at the same time one of the other backs is on the field. We'll see in training camp, maybe McCarthy is planning on using him with another back at the same time, but it doesn't sound like it from what he's said so far.
    How worried should Geronimo Allison be about his roster spot?
    All these guys are going to have to compete. But I'd peg Allison as the favorite to start opposite Adams and with Cobb in the slot.
    My question is what rookie are you most interested in to see how thy do their first season?
    Of course we're all interested in all of them. I guess I'm like most and want to see how Alexander looks. They picked him ahead of Jackson, which means they think he's more talented and suggests they think he should be ready to play immediately.
    Hi Pete. I feel pretty good about the draft after time to reflect on the picks. How do you think Oren Burks will fit into this defense? Was Cole Madison a steal for where he was picked?
    Looks to me like Burks was picked because he has the tools to play pass defense. He's the kind of smaller (233 pounds at the combine) and I think he ran a 4.59, which is the kind of ILBs many teams are looking for now so they can stay on the field on passing downs. Offenses have gotten so good at finding favorable matchups in the passing game and often attack linebackers with TEs and RBs who are good receivers. I think Pettine likes to blitz anyone and everyone, so that might be part of his game too, or something he'll do if he proves to be decent at it. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the nickel early in the season, at least some of the nickel packages. No idea on Madison.
    Post-draft which players are already on the roster bubble?
    Davis and Rollins (Achilles) injury come immediately to mind, maybe a couple of the corners (Hawkins, Brown) because they drafted two.
    Any chance that Alison and Clark (and Yancey?) all makes the roster? Seems the new trio has more talent?
    Yeah, I mean you can't rule out that the final corps will be Adams, Cobb, Allison, Clark, Moore, Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown. The Packers have kept seven receivers before. I'm not predicting that's how it's going to turn out, we really don't know how the rookies are going to play and whether they can contribute on special team. But it wouldn't be a shock if it went this way.
    Since Jackson is not considered a press corner, what do you think the Packers will do with him?
    I'm thinking they wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't think he could play press corner, so they must have seen something they can work with there. Because from what I know, Pettine likes to play a lot of press man.
    If GB returns to their normal form this upcoming year, and the Saints have a decent season, would two first round picks in the mid to late 20s bet enough to move up and draft the premier pass rusher in next year's draft? Or trade for a stud pass rusher from another team? If the DBs we drafted don't work out, could they trade for someone like Jalen Ramsey?
    If they both have good seasons, the Packers maybe can get just into the top 10. Just kinda picked it at random, but if the Saints pick ends up being 27 pick again, that's worth 680 points. If the Packers are 28th, that's 660 points, so the two combined are 1340 points. The 10th pick is 1,300 and the ninth is 1,350, so that gives you a little idea.
    Why do you think Josh Jackson fell to the second? It can't be his play speed. He ran a 4.49 at his pro day and never allowed a pass over 30 yards in college. I think it had to do with the scheme he played in. A lot of off zone coverage.
    I'm sure speed is the biggest reason. The combine times are more important than the Pro Day, because at the combine everyone is running on the same surface and in the same conditions year after year, so the comparisons mean more. He still went in the middle of the second round, that's pretty high even if it's not the first round.
    With all the options at corner now do you see the Packers trying Quinten Rollins at Free Safety? I know before we drafted him some wondered if that wouldn't be his position on the Nfl. Now coming off a major injury I think he has better odds there than corner to make the team
    When they've talked about him in the offseason, it's always been as a corner. It might be a little tougher for him to move also because he didn't play any football in college until his fifth year -- remember, he was a basketball player for four years at Miami of Ohio and then switched to football after his BB eligibility was up. But never say never. He does have a thick build, he is a willing tackler in the run game and he's an instinctive athlete.
    Hi Cliff! Which of our new tall receivers do you see sticking on the team this year? And can you imagine a "Jumbo" package in the red zone, where 3 recievers and the tight end are all over 6'5? LOL.
    If they end up keeping a couple of those big guys, yeah, that could be a real problem for defenses to have, say, some combination of Graham, Adams, Allison, Clark and one of the rookies out there. You could have good fade matchup on either side of the field, and big targets for over the middle.
    What is a reasonable expectation for Alexander and Jackson this year? Significant playing time, possibly a couple starts? I'm hopeful we'll finally see some consistency in turnovers again after a bit of a drought.
    I have to think one of the rookies will be a starter for the opener along with King and probably Williams (assuming nickel as the primary defense). Maybe both rookies, but I'm guessing Williams will start at least early in the year because  he knows Pettine's scheme. Injuries surely will hit, so they'll both probably end up playing a decent amount.
    Before I ask, I'm not someone who desperately wants the Packers to pick him up. That being said, wouldn't it be a reasonable move to try to sign Dez Bryant? According to the reports he has a limited market. The Packers are one Adams injury away from having no experience outside at WR. It's also not like Dez is ancient, he is only 29.
    Before the draft I though that was a real possibility. Have to think it's unlikely now after they drafted three WRs.
    Does Hundley even make to training camp
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