Packers chat with Pete Dougherty

Packers chat with Pete Dougherty

Thursday, Sept. 21 transcript

  • Yeah, to some degree turf/indoor teams seem to emphasize speed, bad-weather teams emphasize size/power for the bad footing and cold weather of late-season games. The Packers' drafting of King and Jones with their top two picks this year were a sign of addressing the speed issue. But they need more speed on offense too. So that's the thinking, that bad fields neutralize speed. I'm sure playing Atlanta at Lambeau in December or January is different than in the Mercedes dome. But your point is a good one. Speed is speed.
  • TT annually stocks the Pack with solid mid-round picks (Bakhtiari and Daniels -- both 4th rounders) but whiffs every year on the first pick we take. Explain this contrast, please.
  • Actually, he's had some good first-round picks. You should look closely at Ron Wolf's first-round picks, he didn't do well at all in the first round yet he's in the PFHOF. Thompson's definitely had some big misses (Harrell, Sherrod, Jones), but he's hit big too (Rodgers, Matthews) and has some solid picks (Bulaga, Clinton-Dix, Perry with the injury caveat). Thompson definitely drafted better his first five or six years, than the last five or six. But that's how drafts work. Seattle had a couple unbelievable drafts that built their defense, the past few years haven't been so hot. Check out drafthistory.com sometime and look at the first rounds of the last 10 years. Lots of busts and average-type players. That's the nature of the draft. But I agree, he needs to hit on some of these high ones if he's going to build a good defense.
  • Expect any Bengals fans this Sunday at Lambeau?
  • Yeah, with the advent of StubHub and the like, there always are a good number of opponent fans at Lambeau each week, enough that you can hear them when their team scores. And you see them walking around in their team gear before the game. Wasn't as much like this in the '90s and early 2000s.
  • Pete, i believe you wrote Monday that the coaches have to get King and Jones in the game, a lot ! I agree. That's the only thing they can "learn" from another shellacking at the hands of Altanta. GB doesn't match-up physically with the guys they played in the secondary, and the difference isn't small. I don't think King and Jones makes them even, but it moves them in the right direction.
  • Yeah, it's basically a given that King is now a starter. I don't know if they'll play Jones more or not -- Brice is out too, so if he doesn't play then King probably will be at safety in the nitro. But I'd flip flop and play him at ILB and Burnett at S if I were the Packers. He's going to make some mistakes, that's what happens when you play rookies. But look at Atlanta last year. They started I think three rookies on defense and one or two second-year guys. I don't know the numbers exactly, but for like the first 10 games they gave up an average of like 24 points, and the last six it was around 17 or 18. That's a huge huge difference and shows that young players, if they're talented, can improve over the course of the season.
  • Given that the Packers worked out some WRs this week, do the Packers miss Max McCaffrey or do they work out all sorts of positions all the time?
  • I'll be curious to see if he does much in the league. I'm not sure he had a lot of upside, but maybe he's one of those guys who will improve incrementally year after year. A lot depends on how Allison plays, he should get a lot of snaps assuming Cobb is out this week.
  • Hi Pete, Do you think Hawkins will get more of a shot in the coming weeks? Rollins and Randall just don’t look good enough
  • Have to think it's on the table. Randall and Rollins had bad games last week, and CB coach Joe Whitt has shown he'll keep trying different guys and play whoever he thinks is playing best that week. So yeah, I wonder if Hawkins gets some playing time this week also.
  • HI Pete, is Jason Spriggs eligible to return later this season as one of the two IR designated to return ? Also is his hammy worse than they are letting on, or did it become a numbers game with all the players who will miss a game or 2 ?
  • Yeah, anyone who goes on IR starting the day after the cut to 53 is eligible to come off. You don't have to announce who will return. The fact that he's going on IR suggest it's fairly severe.
  • There doesn't seem to be any common denominators in the injures for the Packers. Is this just a case of bad luck or is there something else going on? Lack of training? Inept staff?
  • This comes up a lot. I think a good starting point is that if you follow a team, that team's injuries seem bad because you get all the news. Whereas you don't hear the injury news of other teams, or only the really big injuries, and the short-term injuries just don't register. But if you read ProFootballTalk every day, you get a better sense that most teams have their share of injuries. Like I said earlier, for the very short term, the Packers have been hit really hard because they've lost several important, quality players. But the injuries to those guys are short-term injuries, and as long as the injuries don't prove to be chronic, they'll be back. So big picture, no, the Packers aren't in bad shape. For the next week or two, yeah, it's pretty rough. But KC lost Eric Berry for the season, that's like the Packers losing Mike Daniels for the season. McCarthy puts as much into this as anybody in the league from what I can tell, with the GPS data, the way he schedules the week, etc. So I'm in the camp that it's just the way things go in the NFL. Guys get hurt. I did a column in the offseason looking at league-wide injury data -- there are a couple websites that do a good job on this stuff, but most of the work isn't tabulated until after the season, there's just so much to keep track of -- and the Packers were among the most injured teams in I think it was 2013, but among the healthiest in 2014, and pretty well off compared to the rest of the league the last two seasons.
  • Hi Pete. I really like Kevin King. Do you think he could be a shut down corner like Sam Shields was?
  • He seems like a pretty talented guy. His physical testing was really good, and for a CB who's 6-3 it was off the charts. He improved from the start of camp to the end, and he flashed ability last week against Atlanta. there are promising signs. There's a lot to work with there, I'll say that.
  • Why are there 53 players yet you can only have 46 on active list for game day? Why not have all 53 active! Don't get it. Thanks pete
  • In a nutshell, it's a way to have an injured list without having an official injured list. I think in baseball and maybe even basketball they have short-term injury lists where you can put a guy for a couple weeks and then replace him on the roster. The NFL has only IR (with the two return exceptions), so teams put their injured guys on the inactive list. And since teams have different numbers of players injured week to week, the league to keep things fair allows them to have only 46 active so both teams have the same number of players available. The league doesn't want to expand the 53 and 46 because owners don't want to pay more players than they already are. Maybe that will change with the next CBA.
  • Thanks Pete for the chat. I haven't seen anyone talk about how poor a job Linsley snapped the ball in the shotgun the last two weeks. Especially in Atlanta, he snapped the ball badly several times and almost created turnovers. Why has that not been talked about?
  • I remember two bad snaps. The one he rolled in the opener, that was a really bad one. And the one he snapped last week while Rodgers was stepping up to make some kind of line call. I think Linsley is playing pretty good football overall.
  • Is Shields still on the market? Could he help at this stage? Chances of a signing?
  • OK everybody, this will have to do it, have other duties to get to. Thanks one and all for coming by. As always, there were a lot of questions I couldn't get to, so if apologies if I didn't answer yours, come back next week and try again. I answer this because someone else asked the same and referenced a report saying he was looking to come back. I can't imagine the Packers signing him, and I doubt any other team would either. The severity of his last concussion was just too great and the risk of another too high. No team wants to bring a guy in, make him a part of the defensive plan and then have the all-too-foreseeable happen, another concussion that ends his season. They also would have to pay him for the year. And most importantly, I don't see why Shields would even consider playing again and risk his mental health. OK, that's it. Thanks again everybody, always great chatting with you. We'll talk again next week.
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