Packers chat with Pete Dougherty

Packers chat with Pete Dougherty

Thursday, Sept. 21 transcript

  • well that didn't take long for the porcelain Perry to get hurt, what is the over/under on Matthews hamstring, I say 4 games. I think the Packers will be regretting the Watt draft pick for the next 10 years especially if the Steelers make the super bowl and the Packers do not. Any other OLBs available on the market?
  • Hi everybody, let's get going. That's the news of the day, Nick Perry is having surgery on his broken hand. Definitely foreseeable, he has a long injury history. The big question is whether he misses only a game or two, like last season, or longer. Regardless of the injury I'll be keeping a close eye on Watt over the next few years. Thompson could have drafted him but moved back and took King. In Pittsburgh, Watt is playing in the same scheme as he would have in Green Bay. So this is apples to apples all the way. Have to say that King also is showing some potential. I don't know of any OLBs worth pursuing on the market. Any chance Thompson will continue stepping out of character and trade for one? Highly doubt it but you never know.
  • Hi Pete, What's going on with all of the running backs on the 53 man roster? Doesn't seem like the #3 and #4 guys are playing any kind of significant role on special teams and have yet to take a snap from scrimmage. Why not, instead, elevate a player or two from the practice squad who can fortify other positions that are "thin" because of injuries?
  • We're only two games into a 16-game season. Running backs get hurt, those other guys will get their chances, and then some. They have to have seven inactives on game day anyway, so elevating guys if they're not then on the game day 46 doesn't do anything. They're going to need all the backs, you can almost guarantee it. It's a long, long season.
  • Pete - my concern is that the Packers do not seem to grasp that they do not have the speed and are kidding themselves to think otherwise. Cobb hasn't been anything special in over 2 years but yet MM is talking about how they are going to create plays for him. Why so he can beat Poole with a move like he did Sunday but then have Poole recover and tackle him after a less than 5 yard gain? It is also an issue with Allison who is slow and showed it on Sunday. Why they would play him before Davis is beyond me. Davis has speed and can get open. If the coaches don't trust him or think he is no good then cut him. Cobb and Allison are never going to get faster. It is time to move on.
  • There's no disagreeing with your basic premise that the Packers lack speed at receiver. They don't have any real burners. Even their fastest guys -- Davis and Janis -- are 4.42 guys, they're not in the 4.3s like the fastest guys in the league are. I have to think McCarthy knows the strengths and weaknesses of his receivers. So they have to use their strengths -- experience with Rodgers, good route running, etc. -- and grind out drives. There are some things I like about Allison -- he's such a big target, and his run after the catch isn't bad, but he also has to show more savvy (on the offensive PI penalty) and keep running (on the INT, though there's at least a possibility, as Collinsworth said, that he slowed because he thought the throw would be back shoulder). I do agree they might have to give Davis and maybe Janis some more chances, even if it's just as decoys on deep routes. If Cobb doesn't play this week, at least one of them probably will play more. So maybe one of those guys will become a bigger part of the offense as the season goes on. But to a large degree this is the team they're going to be this year. They've got to get the most out of them. They probably can't throw so much to Cobb, he just can't seem to stay healthy catching eight or 10 passes a game.
  • The Packers resign Ricky Jean Francois. When he was active for week 1 his 2017 salary became guaranteed and then they cut him. So now that they've resigned him does he just keep getting the $ that they were already obligated to pay? How does this work?
  • I'm wondering that myself. I'm assuming he applied for termination pay, which means he gets his original salary. I don't know if there's an offset for his new deal -- presumably, he's been re-signed at the minimum.
  • With Perry's injury and lack of quality depth at OLB do you see the Packers bringing back Datone Jones?
  • I can't say that I do, seems like that ship has sailed. He went to Minnesota as a DL, don't know what his weight is or any of that. I think he also was injured when cut (and thus did an injury settlement), so I'm not sure how long he's supposed to be out.
  • With Perry scheduled to undergo surgery and an already thin OLB position do you see another roster move and them looking to sign Reggie Gilbert?
  • With Ahmad Brooks returning this week, it's not looking like that's going to happen. They have Matthews, Brooks, Fackrell and Odom. That should be enough for at least this week.
  • We all know MM wants his OLine to protect one v one, but with the starting tackles out doesn't it make sense to give the backups help to keep Rodgers upright even if it means dialing back the offense?
  • It does unless you plan on getting the ball out quickly. If you get it out fast, then have five options as receivers for your pre-snap read probably helps.
  • if RJF has been re signed does Perry go to IR?
  • No, they put Jason Spriggs (hamstring) on IR to make room for Jean Francois.
  • An optimist would think 'at least we're getting the injury's out of the way early'. The pessimist 'Not again, why does this keep happening to us. We need a 70 man roster'. Where do you stand?
  • I'd agree the rosters should be bigger. This was a really bad 2 weeks for injuries for the Packers, but overall I still don't think they've been hit hard, not in a big-picture sense. They haven't lost any key players to season-ending or even IR-type injuries. Other teams have. Most teams, maybe almost all, go through something similar to this at some point in the season. Now, if these keeps happening, and these important starters keep getting hurt regularly through the whole season, then that's a different matter. But this the NFL. Philadelphia is missing three starters in its secondary this week. Other teams have lost really important players -- the Chiefs lost one of their true stars, Eric Berry, for the season. Chicago has been hit hard. So while this is a real rough patch, it's all short-term stuff. The league definitely could use 60-man rosters, but the owners don't want to pay even more guys. Maybe that will change down the road because of the player safety movement (concussions, etc.).
  • In the old days it was, tape it up, shoot it up, and get me back out there. I miss Brett Favre, has toughness gone out of style?
  • I doubt it. I remember in the '90s, guys from the '60s and '70s were lamenting on players being pampered, not practicing as much, not tackling in practice much, etc. Teams have so much money invested in these guys, they're smarter about their health and at least a little more concerned with their longevity, etc. If you ever get a chance to sit close to the field for a game, you'll see how fast and violent it is.
  • Hi Pete, Thanks for chat, which I really enjoy. My question is not why Damarious and Quinten have been disappointed in 2017, but why they looked good/great 3 years ago. Because they simply covered 2nd and 3rd receivers while Sam faced top receivers. If so, can they still cover non-top receivers with King for top receivers? Or they have regressed so quickly? King will cover AJ Green, right?
  • Great to hear from Japan, thanks for checking in. Yeah, you've probably hit on a big point. Shields was a very good corner, and removing him from the equation has a big domino effect. Randall and Rollins looked noticeably improved in camp and the opener, but both took a beating at Atlanta. If King's a fast developer, that would help everybody in the secondary, as you suggest. But the jury's still very much out on Randall and Rollins. Randall has a lot of ability and can play the ball in the air, but something is missing. I don't know if it's down-in, down-out competitiveness, or maybe he's miscast and needs to play primarily zone, or maybe even as a deep safety. I'm just not sure Rollins is fast enough to be more than a backup. As for covering Green, I'd think the two options are, put King on him and see how he holds up one on one, or maybe one of the other guys on him and double Green all game.
  • Hi Pete,

    Always a pleasure...Just heard that Nick Perry will have hand surgery! Do you know how long he'll be out for although I hear Jordy will play Sunday! And any other injury updates on who's playing Sunday such as Bulaga or Bakhtiari? I'll be coming back for the game! :)
  • No more updates from the previous answer. McCarthy said they won't know how long Perry will be out until after his surgery. A report by Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com said there's a decent chance he might only miss a game. Just checked my Twitter feed, sounds like Nelson and Bulaga are practicing again today, that's back to back days, a good sign for them playing Sunday. Daniels, Bakhtiari, Cobb, Perry, House, all not practicing again.
  • Pete,
    The Packers are tens of millions under the salary cap, ostensibly to resign Rodgers, but spending some of that to keep Sitton or Lang would give a great QB more consistent protection as he ages. Now any line injury is a big problem. Plus I don't see Bulaga or Bakhtiari coming back hurt after seeing the Packers willingness to drop their team mates.
  • OverTheCap has the Packers at about $13 million under, so I'm not sure I'd call that tens of millions under. Some of that might be for Rodgers, because they can carry over cap space to next year. Also, I could see them doing an extension with Linsley, and maybe Adams later in the season if he plays well. The depth is thin, no question. I'm not sure the answer was as much re-signing Lang as perhaps signing a relatively inexpensive veteran as a backup. Also, Spriggs' lack of improvement from last season didn't help, and now he's on IR.
  • Thanks for that chat Pete. I have never been one of those emotionally invested in firing Capers but when I heard on Sunday that he had been in Green Bay for 9 years I found myself saying "How?". In my opinion, Caper's defense is no longer effective against elite quarterbacks b/c it relies too much on scheme creating confusion. In my opinion, there is just too much knowledge and film study among the elite quarterbacks and they just pick it apart when our guys look like they are stuck in quick sand wondering where they are suppose to go. The best defenses in the league seem to be those that aren't worrying about confusing the quarterback and are just looking to physically win their match ups. I do believe the defense is better this year, but it still feels like a blow out playoff loss type of season to me.
  • The scheme is fine as far as I can tell, Pittsburgh uses the same system and is usually one of the better defenses. You kind of get at the point when you talk about physically winning matchups. The Packers' talent on that side of the ball just isn't that good. Thompson has missed on some high picks in the last five years (Datone Jones, Jerel Worthy, big question marks on Randall and Rollins), and he hasn't found other ways to augment, like he did when he signed Charles Woodson in '08. So a lot of it is upgrading the talent. Maybe King and Josh Jones and Kenny Clark will help do that over the next couple years. I thought pass rush was a huge need and they didn't draft an OLB until the fourth round. That's the key position in this scheme. I do think their defense is better than last year, and could improve some more if they start playing Jones so he can develop through the season. But I don't know if it's a little better, or more than that.
  • Daniels on IR? Have you been able to confirm that?
  • I'm answering this only because there are a few questions about it. I haven't heard anything like that and haven't seen anything on my Twitter feed saying anything about Daniels to IR. Spriggs went on IR today to make room for Jean Francois.
  • Does the game plan on offense change much from last week with the possibility of being down a starting OT and WR?
  • Probably not a lot. Looks like Bulaga might play this week, so they'll only be down one starting tackle, not two.
  • @Jack - Watt already missed a game with a hammy/quad injury, so just slow your roll there. You probably would have complained about that one, too
  • He didn't miss a game but had to leave last week because of a groin injury. He practiced as a limited participant Wednesday, so who knows if he's playing this week. But that's why we need to let this play out for probably three years before making any big judgments. Not that there won't be important signs over the next two years, but an injury could diminish either Watt or King. A lot can happen in the next three or four years. But it warrants monitoring.
  • Can you tell Michael Cohen that his segment with the Physical Therapist doctor yesterday was great? Really enlightening, and a great take on how much physical stress these players are under each play.
  • I'll let him know. I didn't get a chance to listen to it yesterday but am going to today. It's still available on PackersNews.com, so check it out. He does three a week, good stuff.
  • Pete, is the injury bug due in part to the starters playing so little in preseason? By that I mean, they go from little game action suddenly to going full throttle in Week 1. Sort of like a pitcher going from reliever to starter without a chance to stretch out the arm gradually.
  • I just don't know. The problem is, if they play a lot in the preseason, there are that many more snaps where they're exposed to major injury. The risk is really high. Injuries are such a big part of the NFL, it's almost to the point of absurdity sometimes.
  • In your 25 years of covering the packers, is the current o-line one of the worst for the starting lineup and depth that you've ever seen, or close to it?
  • I'd have to go back and look more carefully, but more often than not the depth on the OL isn't that good. I think the last couple years with Tretter as a quality backup has been more the exception than the rule. I do remember the line being bad in Favre's first couple years, even the starting line had some big holes. I guess going by gut feeling, though, yeah, this is as thin as it has been. The starting unit is good, but the depth is pretty¬†shaky.
  • Perry hurt? Well, that's football. Matthews may get hurt? That's football too. I'm looking forward to see what Brooks can do, and eventually, Biegel. Hey, whatever, next man up. Are you also looking forward to the returning "cast petting" routine after a Perry sack?
  • It is football, guys get a hurt, and we all know the Matthews-Perry histories. Biegel's injury was costly, especially if he ends up being a decent rusher. He can start practicing after Week 6.
  • Everyone is talking about the ratings being down. Last years week 2 packers vs vikings and a 22 million viewership, this year packers vs falcons had around 20 million. What's your take on why this is going on?
  • Sounds like it's mostly an issue with younger viewers streaming games and watching highlights rather than watching on TV.
  • The Packers have needed an upgrade in overall team speed for years. Yet they keep drafting guys who have average speed. People have said that dome teams draft guys that are fast to play on the turf. Why dont teams that play outside draft the fastest guys possible? If they can run fast on turf cant they also run fast on grass? Just dont underatand that thought process!
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