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I don't know the depth of the draft like I used to when I was doing the draft series. What I'll be interested in seeing is what Thompson does if, say, RB Dalvin Cook is available, or the off chance that WR Corey Davis for some reason is still on the board.
Not sure, we'll find out. I get your point and essentially agree, I get why the Packers wouldn't go up to $9M a year for a guard. If they weren't strong at both tackles and center, that would have been different. And don't get me wrong, Lang is a really good player and a great guy to have in your locker room. The most valid criticism of the Packers on this was they didn't try to re-sign him during the season, might have been able to get him for $7M (or less?). The other thing is, if they weren't going to spend the money on him, then use it to improve roster depth. They finally did that with the Evans signing. Maybe they'll sign another veteran after the draft at a position where they still feel thin.
Wondering the same thing myself. Maybe he's starting to change his philosophy some, realizing you have to use free agency, not necessarily for high-value guys, but to fill in your roster, improve depth, etc. This move really takes some pressure off the draft. I still have to think they'll draft a guard, but they won't need the guy to come in and start. They can develop him for a year. Maybe Thompson is as you suggest empowering others on his staff. Maybe he feels the clock ticking. He did have $21M in cap room, too.
I'd think that is very unlikely, you just don't see many of those trades. Maybe New England will do a trade for Malcolm Butler, but that's something that's been in the works for a while. It's just hard to get decent value for a player, teams much prefer to have the draft pick for a younger, cheaper guy they can choose and then develop in their own program.
I generally don't get into what they should do in the draft. The reason is, I don't scout all the college players -- that's a full-time job in itself -- so my opinion just doesn't count for anything. It's one thing to make some judgments on NFL players, we all can watch the games and see what happens and make some judgments there. But with the draft you have to see all the players, compare them to each, and then hardest of all, project them to the NFL. So I don't have a strong opinion on the player they should draft. I will say, I personally think pass rusher is their greatest need, it's 1A over cornerback at 1B. So if there are several players with similar grades on the board at 29 and one is a pass rusher, I'd take him. Generally, trading back is a pretty good option, the more picks the better, there's a big element of luck in this, so extra picks improve odds. But you don't want to do that willy nilly, because first-round picks are worth a lot. So it just depends on their board and how highly they rate guys. In a nutshell for tonight, the only way I wouldn't pick an OLB or CB if I'm them is if there's someone available who has a much higher grade than anyone at those positions, and you think he might be special.
I don't think the odds are very good, but my guess is that if Charles Harris or Takk McKinley is there, they'll take that guy. Those odds probably are pretty low. I have to think Watt's a real possibility. I don't know if the CB King makes it there, I'm guessing not. If Conley still is on the board, that would have to be tempting but my guess is Thompson will pass because of the uncertainty with the allegations made against him this week, though maybe the Packers have learned something in the last two days that has convinced them nothing will come of this. Assuming Watt is the best OLB on the board and King is gone, I wonder if Thompson might look hard to trade back a few spots and gain and extra 3rd or 4th. If he does and it's a fourth, he could maybe find a way to turn that into another third with a trade up. This could be a wild night. Or not.
Bob's great and does his homework to the hilt and has strong opinions, but sometimes we disagree, and this is one of those times. I'm with you. It sounds like the CB depth in this draft runs well into the third round. Corners are really important and keep getting more important in this league, but pass rushers trump that. It's the most important position after QB. And the rushers will go faster in the draft, and there are fewer of them. A scout this week told me he had 27 draftable CBs and I think 17 edge rushers, something like that. So I'm in your camp. Maybe in the end Thompson does the trade back. Should be an interesting night.
That would be really expensive to trade up from Rd. 2 to get a second first-round pick. When Thompson did that for Matthews back in '09, he had the ninth pick of the second round. This time it's the 29th. So I have trouble seeing that happening.
I don't know that they can trade back and get a second-rounder on top the second-round spot they'd be moving back to. I'd have to look and see which teams have two second-rounders, though maybe someone will trade out of the first round and then want to trade back in later. But I'd think the Packers would be doing well to get a third-rounder in a move back.
It is brutal. I'm skeptical Thompson would take him in the first two or even three rounds, I just don't see him inviting that kind of outside scrutiny into his locker room. But I don't know what their research has turned up on Mixon, I have to assume they've looked deep into his background, etc., and maybe Thompson has given it the OK. I don't think they'll take him but that's just a guess. Seems like a lot of the draftniks think he'll go in the second round.
Blount's a free agent, so he could just sign him, same for Jamaal Charles, the Packers have come up in some reports about him. I heard Charles' knees are in bad shape from multiple injuries. I don't see any trades but could see a free agent signing after the draft, depending on what the draft yields.
Yeah, I have to think he'll still draft a guard, but the only way the guy would start this season is if he's pretty advanced and can beat out Evans. That would give him a year to develop. Sitton and Lang both sat a year before becoming starters. There's a pretty decent chance the OL they draft will be a tackle, but that's what Thompson does, he drafts tackles to play guard, just as he did with Sitton and Lang.
I have to think so. They have to draft a running back, and I have to think they'll draft a guard too, as just stated. Maybe they'll bring in a receiver, or maybe they'll even pick another back. But the majority of picks I have to think will be on defense.
Yeah, I could see the Vikings drafting Mixon. The trade up for a cornerback is an interesting idea, Thompson does have a fifth-round compensatory and can trade it. But there might be enough depth at CB in this draft that if he goes OLB in the first round, and he can just sit and pick a CB in the second round. That's unless there's a CB still available in the middle of the round that he really, really likes. Then maybe he pulls the trigger. But CB is the strength of this draft.
Yeah, I've seen those opinions too. Who knows, maybe if Thompson drafts a CB in the first round, he'd pick Biegel at the bottom of the second. Sounds like bottom of the second is at least a possibility for Biegel, though more likely somewhere in the third.
Just judging by all the mock drafts I don't think he makes it there. If he does, that could give Thompson pause. But to make it worth taking him, they'd have to think he'll be special, otherwise they're missing a chance to help their defense.
Could be that, could be he's starting to change a little with the times, maybe following the NE model a little bit and using low to mid level free agency to shore up weak spots, improve depth, etc.
I know he gets a lot of criticism for drafting guys who played others sports (Randall baseball, Rollins basketball) and projecting guys to different positions. And there is risk in that. But if more of those moves work out than he's considered forward looking and open minded. But I have to believe he sees the clock ticking for himself, maybe even a little bit for Rodgers.
I really don't know. As I said, maybe that convinces him to trade back. I just don't think King makes it to 29. I could be wrong, but I'd bet against it.
Thompson needs to take the one he thinks will be the better player. If their grades are similar, I'd go with the rusher. He might see it differently. They obviously shouldn't take Watt just because he's from Wisconsin and went to the UW. They need to make this decision based solely on the player.
It all depends on how far they'd move back and how many rushers are left. If there are three they like about the same, then maybe they could move back six spots and still get one of them -- they'd have to take a look at who has the picks in between and make that call. But like I said earlier, the chances of getting an extra second-round pick to move back into the second round, that's just not very likely. They'd have to move really far back.
Yeah, it's good logic and definitely plausible. I'm more swayed that an outside rusher would help more, but reasonable people can differ on this. Lots of things to weight, including the superior CB depth. But if they really like one or two of the later-first-round CBs, then that could be the decision. If they took the rusher, getting him on the field wouldn't be an issue as far as I'm concerned. They rotate rushers, and on obvious passing downs they put their four best rushers on the field anyway. Matthews and Perry have rushed a lot from standing positions on the inside. So finding a way to get enough from the OLB isn't an issue. But Thompson very well might agree with you.